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		<title>By: News That Matters &#8211; January 8, 2010 &#8211; Things To Do Edition &#124; News That Matters</title>
		<link>http://andrewcichowski.com/imagine/?p=68&#038;cpage=1#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>News That Matters &#8211; January 8, 2010 &#8211; Things To Do Edition &#124; News That Matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Andrew Cichowski was stopped and held by San Jose, CA police recently for photographing a barbed wire fence at a train station. Police [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Old Grouch</title>
		<link>http://andrewcichowski.com/imagine/?p=68&#038;cpage=1#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Old Grouch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 00:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would be well within your rights to decline their requests.

However: Never argue with people who have guns. (and be sure the pocket camera suggested by #10 has audio)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would be well within your rights to decline their requests.</p>
<p>However: Never argue with people who have guns. (and be sure the pocket camera suggested by #10 has audio)</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Quimbly</title>
		<link>http://andrewcichowski.com/imagine/?p=68&#038;cpage=1#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Quimbly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice photos - but never talk to the police.  That&#039;s your right.  

You don&#039;t have to explain your perfectly legal activities to them.

And the next time you photograph a &quot;terrorist target&quot; bring a pocket camera with video capability.  With a neck strap.  Throw it around your neck, and switch it on at the first sign of trouble with insecurity guards or police.

Think of it as insurance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice photos &#8211; but never talk to the police.  That&#8217;s your right.  </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to explain your perfectly legal activities to them.</p>
<p>And the next time you photograph a &#8220;terrorist target&#8221; bring a pocket camera with video capability.  With a neck strap.  Throw it around your neck, and switch it on at the first sign of trouble with insecurity guards or police.</p>
<p>Think of it as insurance.</p>
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		<title>By: boots</title>
		<link>http://andrewcichowski.com/imagine/?p=68&#038;cpage=1#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>boots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 02:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote the director of Ca. State parks and cc&#039;d to Mark Stone of the coastal commision of my incident just after Thanksgiving:

My Name is Howard &quot;Boots&quot; McGhee. I need to bring attention to you both as to what is actually happening within our State Parks and Beaches. 
On the weekend of the past Thanksgiving, my niece form Arizona asked me to photograph their family Christmas card. I picked the late afternoon for perfect lighting and around 4pm we went down to Seacliff State Beach, a mile from the house I&#039;ve lived in for 31 years. 
I photographed my niece&#039;s family of four under the pier and walked up to walk on the pier. A ranger was talking to another family, a man, his wife and their 2 daughters. They were shooting their Christmas card also. As I walked past he motions me to listen to his interpretation of commercial photography within the state park. We both told him that it was a family Christmas card shoot and that we didn&#039;t or shouldn&#039;t need the permit the ranger said we needed. I thought that was it and then he asked us for our IDs. The other man gave him his license and because I came with my niece in their car, I didn&#039;t have my wallet with me. He asked my name and address, I told him and he proceeded to run our names for what I believe was outstanding warrants. After our names came back clean, he said we could go but gave us a &quot;verbal warning&quot;.  
A few days later, after telling my story to friends, I wrote a letter to the Santa Cruz Sentinel on Dec. 2nd. A reporter contacted me and wanted to find out more information and do a more in depth story on it and ran that story on the 3rd. A reporter then contacted me from KPIX TV in SF. And after that, a reporter interviewed me from KGO TV in SF. The following Friday our local radio station here in Santa Cruz asked me to come on for the &quot;Saturday Special&quot; which I appeared on Dec. 5th. 
Because of the publicity, many photographers and personal friends have contacted me to share similar experiences with state park rangers hassling them even though they were not shooting commercially. It extends to people simply enjoying themselves on the beach without a camera.  
Then a man contacted me and gave me all the info on the law, our rights and what is obviously authority overstepping their bounds. 
I&#039;ve learned about TItle 14ccr4316 and what constitutes personal and commercial photography. In his correspondence with me, he linked me to a photography forum where they were talking of my encounter and shared theirs. 
Please take the time to investigate these instances and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT PLEASE. 
Thank you for your time in this manner.
Howard McGhee

No response as of yet


http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/letters/ci_13906024
and
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_13915205</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote the director of Ca. State parks and cc&#8217;d to Mark Stone of the coastal commision of my incident just after Thanksgiving:</p>
<p>My Name is Howard &#8220;Boots&#8221; McGhee. I need to bring attention to you both as to what is actually happening within our State Parks and Beaches.<br />
On the weekend of the past Thanksgiving, my niece form Arizona asked me to photograph their family Christmas card. I picked the late afternoon for perfect lighting and around 4pm we went down to Seacliff State Beach, a mile from the house I&#8217;ve lived in for 31 years.<br />
I photographed my niece&#8217;s family of four under the pier and walked up to walk on the pier. A ranger was talking to another family, a man, his wife and their 2 daughters. They were shooting their Christmas card also. As I walked past he motions me to listen to his interpretation of commercial photography within the state park. We both told him that it was a family Christmas card shoot and that we didn&#8217;t or shouldn&#8217;t need the permit the ranger said we needed. I thought that was it and then he asked us for our IDs. The other man gave him his license and because I came with my niece in their car, I didn&#8217;t have my wallet with me. He asked my name and address, I told him and he proceeded to run our names for what I believe was outstanding warrants. After our names came back clean, he said we could go but gave us a &#8220;verbal warning&#8221;.<br />
A few days later, after telling my story to friends, I wrote a letter to the Santa Cruz Sentinel on Dec. 2nd. A reporter contacted me and wanted to find out more information and do a more in depth story on it and ran that story on the 3rd. A reporter then contacted me from KPIX TV in SF. And after that, a reporter interviewed me from KGO TV in SF. The following Friday our local radio station here in Santa Cruz asked me to come on for the &#8220;Saturday Special&#8221; which I appeared on Dec. 5th.<br />
Because of the publicity, many photographers and personal friends have contacted me to share similar experiences with state park rangers hassling them even though they were not shooting commercially. It extends to people simply enjoying themselves on the beach without a camera.<br />
Then a man contacted me and gave me all the info on the law, our rights and what is obviously authority overstepping their bounds.<br />
I&#8217;ve learned about TItle 14ccr4316 and what constitutes personal and commercial photography. In his correspondence with me, he linked me to a photography forum where they were talking of my encounter and shared theirs.<br />
Please take the time to investigate these instances and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT PLEASE.<br />
Thank you for your time in this manner.<br />
Howard McGhee</p>
<p>No response as of yet</p>
<p><a href="http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/letters/ci_13906024" rel="nofollow">http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/letters/ci_13906024</a><br />
and<br />
<a href="http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_13915205" rel="nofollow">http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/ci_13915205</a></p>
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		<title>By: Photography *Is* Suspicious &#171;</title>
		<link>http://andrewcichowski.com/imagine/?p=68&#038;cpage=1#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Photography *Is* Suspicious &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] San Jose this past weekend, photographer Andrew Cichowski writes on his blog  how he was stopped for taking photos of a fence around a train station. The police [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dallascaper</title>
		<link>http://andrewcichowski.com/imagine/?p=68&#038;cpage=1#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Dallascaper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope the cops at least sent you flowers afterward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope the cops at least sent you flowers afterward.</p>
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		<title>By: Al McFish</title>
		<link>http://andrewcichowski.com/imagine/?p=68&#038;cpage=1#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Al McFish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 16:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, please leave trail of
any legal developments.
If you  don&#039;t protest they&#039;ll
keep doing it.
Also, a formal letter to City  Hall
might help. Hell, CC it to a local politician.
 Citizens of your town have a  right to know.
&quot;Can you please  let me  know why officers  XX detained and interrogated me for innocently  taking pictures on this date.&quot;
They sort of have to get back to
you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, please leave trail of<br />
any legal developments.<br />
If you  don&#8217;t protest they&#8217;ll<br />
keep doing it.<br />
Also, a formal letter to City  Hall<br />
might help. Hell, CC it to a local politician.<br />
 Citizens of your town have a  right to know.<br />
&#8220;Can you please  let me  know why officers  XX detained and interrogated me for innocently  taking pictures on this date.&#8221;<br />
They sort of have to get back to<br />
you.</p>
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		<title>By: mepsipax</title>
		<link>http://andrewcichowski.com/imagine/?p=68&#038;cpage=1#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>mepsipax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They were not getting chummy with you.  They were trying to get you to incriminate yourself in some crime.  They were not doing their jobs by wasting your time and violating your rights.  Don&#039;t mean to get preachy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were not getting chummy with you.  They were trying to get you to incriminate yourself in some crime.  They were not doing their jobs by wasting your time and violating your rights.  Don&#8217;t mean to get preachy.</p>
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		<title>By: Catinthewall</title>
		<link>http://andrewcichowski.com/imagine/?p=68&#038;cpage=1#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Catinthewall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 10:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess what. Cops are allowed to lie. Just because they said they needed to give your SSN, or anything, was incorrect. In California, They cannot force you to identify yourself, or give away even copies of your data. If you had declined, the worst that would have happened would have been an unlawful seize. With the detainment, even though you already gave up your right to privacy, you should still talk to a lawyer about false imprisonment. If they know you have done nothing, there isn&#039;t a 30 minute grace period, or even 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess what. Cops are allowed to lie. Just because they said they needed to give your SSN, or anything, was incorrect. In California, They cannot force you to identify yourself, or give away even copies of your data. If you had declined, the worst that would have happened would have been an unlawful seize. With the detainment, even though you already gave up your right to privacy, you should still talk to a lawyer about false imprisonment. If they know you have done nothing, there isn&#8217;t a 30 minute grace period, or even 1.</p>
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		<title>By: imagine@dulcetstudios.com</title>
		<link>http://andrewcichowski.com/imagine/?p=68&#038;cpage=1#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>imagine@dulcetstudios.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 08:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I asked if my SSN was necessary, and was told &quot;absolutely&quot; just as I was when I asked about my photo being taken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I asked if my SSN was necessary, and was told &#8220;absolutely&#8221; just as I was when I asked about my photo being taken.</p>
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